Oh, for feck’s sake

I do try to be patient and reasonable, even with people who I disagree with. But Deviant Logic has just made me blow a gasket. They just bought themself a one-way ticket to the moderation queue.

“You are conflating two very different things: incidents of cis men harassing women in bathrooms (with no suggestion that these men claimed to be trans women) and the information that some trans women have sexual fetishes that you find upsetting (with no suggestion that these women are inflicting those fetishes on unconsenting parties). Are there some trans women who do violent or sexually inappropriate things? Sure. There are also some cis women who do violent or sexually inappropriate things. Sexual harassment is not excused when the perpetrator has a marginalized identity. But most trans women are not sexual predators. (Hell, most cis men are not sexual predators; it’s just that the minority who are manage to do a lot of damage.)

You seem to think I have never suffered violence, abuse, or harassment at the hands of men. This is false. I have never suffered violence, abuse, or harassment at the hands of trans women, despite knowing several and dating a few. I do find it profoundly upsetting that you are more obsessed with speculating about my ex-girlfriends’ masturbatory habits than me and them put together. (And no, you don’t get to know what their fantasies were because basic privacy. If you would like appropriate information about sex with trans women, I recommend Alison Moon’s excellent book Girl Sex 101. That also has great anatomical information about non-trans women’s bodies using scientific vocabulary, and great discussions of pleasure, communication, and consent.)”

Conflating “cis” men assaulting women in bathrooms with transwomen who have sexual fetishes? You bet I am! That’s because “cis” men and “transwomen” have a very important trait in common: they’re both male. There is no measurable, observable, or provable difference between a “cis” man and a transwoman. The only difference between a man in a dress and a transwoman is a belief in a mysterious, subjective, internal “gender identity.” And you can start yammering on about hormone levels if you want, but transwomen don’t have to have any medical interventions at all in order to call themselves transwomen. Fully intact males with no intention of transition can call themselves women and get taken seriously by the trans cult.

That brings me to my next point, which I’ve already typed out in a comment, but I will copy and paste here: The trans community does not police who gets to call themselves trans. There is no criteria whatsoever for who is called trans since a trans identity is based on internal, invisible, subjective feelings and does not require any medical intervention. That’s why people like Danielle Muscato can claim to be women and get taken seriously. Since anyone can claim to be trans at any time, there is nothing stopping men who already have a desire to peep and perv on women to enter women’s private spaces under lax gender identity laws.

When I conflate “men who assault women in bathrooms” and “transwomen with sexual fetishes” that’s because when trans identity is based on self-declaration and there are absolutely no criteria set at all, then any man at all has the freedom to claim a gender identity and enter women’s spaces. We know men will assault women in bathrooms, because they already do, and with gender identity laws they can claim a legal right to be there.

Don’t anybody tell me “but there’s already laws against assault” because I will take your head off. The conviction rates for rape are always hovering somewhere around 5% because police never investigate properly and courts won’t convict men who abuse women. The assault laws hardly do a damn thing since the entire system is set up to protect male perpetrators. Women would like to prevent assault from happening in the first place by setting boundaries and only undressing in female-only spaces. We have that right.

And by the way, men don’t even have to take pictures, peep under toilet stalls, set up hidden cameras, or grab anyone in order to violate them. Men entering female-only space uninvited is already a violation. It is boundary-crossing behaviour designed to intimidate and it scares women and girls who are in the washroom/locker room.

You think that transwomen never practice their sexual fetish in public? Check out this dude walking around New York in his sissy fetish outfit:

sissy

Don’t believe me that this is a sissy fetish? Behold this abomination right here. This Humans of New York dude is parading around in public in an outfit that represents a pedophile fantasy, and he’s getting away with it because gender identity ideology makes everyone think this is okay. This is not okay. He is forcing everyone around him to see him in his fetish outfit, which is a violation.

You need to wake up to the reality of what trans activism is accomplishing for men with sexual fetishes. You’d be helping your movement if you acknowledged this and did something about it.

“I do find it profoundly upsetting that you are more obsessed with speculating about my ex-girlfriends’ masturbatory habits”

WHAT!?!?!?!?! Ew, no.

“And no, you don’t get to know what their fantasies were because basic privacy.”

Oh, dear god! Never, ever tell me anything about the sexual fantasies of your ex-Laydeefriend. There’s not enough barf buckets in the world.

“If you would like appropriate information about sex with trans women”

Okay, you are now officially kicked out of here for a three-in-a-row grossing me the hell out. The last thing I want in bed with me is some dude’s Laydeewang. Fetch me that barf bucket!

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31 thoughts on “Oh, for feck’s sake

  1. A great reply! What I would have said had I not been stuttering in outrage. I think more and more that this transmaniacal fetish for getting into women’s spaces has at its root pushing women from the public sphere. Women’s rooms were the way we were able to be in the world, so making those spaces impossible for actual women to use guarantees we will be disappeared. It may be past time for us to make a point of traveling in packs to the loo, and announcing loudly the presence of men in that room.

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  2. Regardless of gender they were self -obsessed and pre occupied with sex. Their comments increasingly showed this. Most disturbing was their assertion of ‘patient Transguy friends’ . Potentially the unhealthy relationships between young girls and adult males.

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  3. Funny how “That’s already illegal so don’t worry about anyone doing it” logic applies to women who don’t want dicks in their private spaces but not trans who are scared of being attacked in the men’s bathroom.

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  4. >”some trans women have sexual fetishes that you find upsetting”

    I would add to this excellent article that this part of the comment is an incorrect and unfair characterization of the position that women deserve private spaces.

    I can’t speak for PurpleSageFem, but as for myself, I don’t find cross-dressing “upsetting,” nor most other kinks between consenting adults. I don’t give a shit if a man cross-dresses, plays sissy, enjoys subordination, jerks off in panties or anything else. However, it doesn’t make him a woman. If anything, it makes him pretty typically male.

    Commenter’s “lady” friend can jerk off all he wants, but it’s not a civil rights issue and doesn’t cause him to require access to women’s facilities.

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  5. The only way that this whole thing can be justified is if we sweep under the carpet the endemic problem of male predatory behavior, of the near nonstop perving on and assaulting of women. It is so commonplace women are expected to just put up with it, not make a big deal of it.

    One example: Upskirt photos. Women can’t walk around in public w/o guys trying to take photos up their skirts and then post them on the internet. And there is nothing women can do about it. A judge in NY ruled that women are not entitled to an expectation of privacy if they are in public. They cannot force men to remove such photos from the internet.

    And yet we are expected to let “transwomen” into locker rooms and washrooms and risk yet more of this shitty behavior??? As you correctly state, there is no measurable difference between males and transwomen. This whole experiment lasted about two weeks at U of Toronto before males were caught holding cell phones over shower stalls to video women showering.

    This point is really important, too:

    And by the way, men don’t even have to take pictures, peep under toilet stalls, set up hidden cameras, or grab anyone in order to violate them. Men entering female-only space uninvited is already a violation. It is boundary-crossing behaviour designed to intimidate and it scares women and girls who are in the washroom/locker room.

    On the one hand, women are supposed to constantly be on guard against assault – watching their drinks at parties in case they are spiked, go to and from parties with girlfriends, not wear the “wrong” type of clothes, etc, etc – else their attack is their own fault. Yet when it comes to letting men who assert that they are women into restrooms, locker rooms, etc we are supposed to ignore a lifetime of training to protect ourselves and let these jokers in. Because “not all men.”

    Great post, PS.

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    • “On the one hand, women are supposed to constantly be on guard against assault – watching their drinks at parties in case they are spiked, go to and from parties with girlfriends, not wear the “wrong” type of clothes, etc, etc – else their attack is their own fault. Yet when it comes to letting men who assert that they are women into restrooms, locker rooms, etc we are supposed to ignore a lifetime of training to protect ourselves and let these jokers in. Because “not all men.”

      YES. A thousand times.

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  6. Exactly, Lilith. Women are constantly told that we are supposed to take precautions to avoid getting assaulted by men, and when we are assaulted we are asked questions like “why did you let him in your apartment” or “why did you accept a ride home from him.” But when we attempt to actually protect ourselves by setting boundaries and asking for privacy, then we’re insulting men because #notallmen. Women are at fault either way, we are just supposed to put up with whatever men dish out and shut up about it. Men are allowed to do absolutely anything they want without limit and or being called out for bad behaviour, and they’re allowed to demand that women not insult them by protecting ourselves as they have told us to. This all shows clearly which sex is in power over the other.

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