So this lovely person came along just to let me know that being a female homosexual inherently makes me an asshole.
I had just finished talking about how women aren’t allowed to declare themselves exclusively attracted to women without being labelled bigots! Thanks for proving my point!
Then this really sweet, helpful person named Rachel came along to spend half an hour of her life typing out a wall of text explaining transgenderism to me. She assumes that I just don’t understand it, and if she explains it to me, then I will understand. What she doesn’t realize, because she obviously hasn’t read anything else on my blog, is that I’m very well informed on the subject already and I disagree with transgenderist dogma because it conflicts with reality and is hateful toward me as a woman and a lesbian. I’m going to break up Rachel’s comment into manageable chunks, so it will appear here in block quote.
“Oh dear, this article is rather troubling. I don’t even know if it’s possible to explain everything that’s misinformed in this article, since you seem rather firmly rooted in the idea that genitals inform gender. And most people reading this probably would agree in that thinking, wondering what I’m even trying to imply by stating otherwise. Let me make an attempt.”
No, I don’t think that genitals inform gender. Genitals indicate sex, not gender. Let me explain. People whose sex is female have a uterus, in which an ovum can grow into a fetus if it’s fertilized, and people who are male have sperm, which can fertilize ova. People’s outer genitals appear different according to their inner biology. Those of us who have a uterus and who can become pregnant have a vulva and vagina, and those of us who can produce sperm have a penis and testicles. It is definitely important for everyone to understand this, because without this understanding of human biology you will find yourself unable to prevent pregnancy.
“So, for the women reading this, imagine that you’ve felt internally the way you have your whole life, but when you were born, you had a penis. Because of this, you were told your entire life to act like a man, to do the things associated with masculinity. But inside, you knew this wasn’t you. Maybe you’d just learn to accept it, because standards of society tell you that the genitals you were born with inform who you are.”
If I was born male, I would have been taught masculinity, yes. That’s because society constructs differentiated roles and behaviours for males and females and forces us to comply with those behaviours. The role that is assigned to males is masculinity and the role assigned to females is femininity. However, males and females have all sorts of personalities and the roles assigned to us don’t usually fit. They especially don’t usually fit for women, because women don’t actually want to spend their lives submitting to men. Feminists have named these roles “gender roles” and we have been fighting against them for decades.
“But imagine that there’s this constant feeling that maybe it’s just more simple than that. Maybe it’s more than just trying to be a sensitive man that breaks stereotypes of masculinity. Maybe the answer is that you were a girl all along.”
If I had been born male, then I’d be male. What makes you think that if a man identifies with femininity that makes him really a woman? Why can’t he be a feminine man? If you think that a feminine man is really a woman, that means you think that only women can be feminine. That’s not true—we have all sorts of personalities, regardless of our sex. There is no personality that men can have that makes them women. Any personality is fine to have.
“Then imagine that you attempt to reach out to other women for support, only to be pushed away, told that you have no business there. You feel the connection, the sisterhood, as we all do in our daily lives, a sisterhood that exists not just because of our genitals, but our inner femininity.”
What “inner femininity”? Do you think that women have an “inner femininity”? Have you ever met a lesbian or a feminist?
“But you have no way of connecting with that community, because your genitals, something you had no control over, creates a barrier. And it is assumed that because you have a penis, you must be like all men, who are terrible people (a rather black and white sentiment, but at the same time, I find it hard to argue with that one). Can you imagine what kind of self-loathing that might create in a person?”
Men can connect with women as friends, and sometimes as lovers. This sort of thing happens all the time, actually. Why do you think that men’s genitals mean they can’t interact with women? It sounds like you’re talking about in specific situations of female-only space. Just so you know, women are allowed to create women-only spaces any time we want, and we do not need men’s participation or their approval. Men do not have any right to enter women-only spaces, even if their feelings are hurt. Men who wish to enter female-only spaces are violating women’s boundaries which is abusive behavior.
“This is the experience I’ve seen in my trans friends, some who are desperate to find a place of belonging.”
Your friends deserve to feel a sense of belonging to the same extent that everyone else does. But nobody at all has the right to barge into private spaces where they were not invited.
“Every time I hear about their struggles, I’m reminded of the medical community’s former stance on homosexuality as a mental illness. Of course, we know now that homosexuality is a normal thing that you can’t just “get rid of” through therapy, medication, or any horrifying turn of the century treatments for mental illness. I see people who are absolutely and 100% mentally competent, their only perceived mental illness being their gender identity issues. And doesn’t that sound an awful lot like the homosexual individuals in the past who were accused of the very same? When you see a noticeable percentage of people all experiencing the same thing, you start to wonder if that experience isn’t wrong. I never had to worry about being put in a mental hospital for being a lesbian, but the thought terrifies me. And it is through that feeling that I’m able to sympathize with my trans friends, getting constant accusations of mental illness when it is very clear that they have none.”
Interesting that you compare transgenderism to homosexuality on a thread where I’ve shown how trans activists are actively hostile toward homosexuals! You really need to do some research on transgenderism because you are unaware that a large percentage of the kids who are being medically transgendered are same-sex attracted, and they are being taught to believe they are the opposite sex before they’ve gotten old enough to develop a homosexual identity. Transgenderism works in opposition to gay and lesbian rights. See this post No one will admit it’s gay conversion therapy and this post 19th century homophobic dickheads trying to explain homosexuality. The idea that same-sex attracted individuals are really the opposite sex and should transition is homophobia.
“There are trans people who are being bold and speaking out, because fundamentally, there is still no place for trans people to go.”
Trans people are managing to change laws so that they can go absolutely anywhere. They’re also making it impossible for women to have female-only space. Now that Michfest has shut down and women aren’t allowed to form women-only groups anywhere, there are no places for women to go. Are you concerned about women at all?
“And I don’t know, maybe your intent is for all trans people to just stop being trans, but that’s not going to happen, just as much as no lesbian is just going to stop being gay.”
I wonder if you’re implying here that I intend for trans people to start conforming to the sex stereotypes that are assigned to their biological sex? Because I don’t. I think all people should be allowed to express their personalities, wear the clothes they like, and love who they love (between consenting adults) and not be punished or ostracized. Men who are feminine and women who are masculine are just fine with me, and do not need to change. They also don’t need to be medicalized or sterilized or “fixed” in any way, because there’s nothing wrong with them. If you knew me at all, you’d know I have a particular fondness for gender nonconforming women, and I’m partnered with one.
“Imagine another scenario. You wake up tomorrow in a body with a penis. And everyone tells you that you have to be a man now. Wouldn’t you want sympathy from the community of women, the community you still feel you belong to? The sudden appearance of a penis wouldn’t rob you of that sisterly connection you feel to all women, but would they still accept you? If that happened to one of your female friends, would you still accept them?”
This scenario is so unrealistic it can’t even prove a point. There is no way a person can suddenly wake up with the wrong genitals. Trans people don’t have the wrong genitals either, because there is no such thing as wrong genitals. Bodies are not wrong, and genitals are not wrong. People feel discomfort around their bodies for many reasons, most of them cultural. I advocate that we change the culture so that people don’t have to be so uncomfortable with who they are.
“This might seem implausible, but what if you were to find that a female friend of yours, whom you’ve known for a while, says that she is actually trans? That she underwent hormone replacement therapy, had top and bottom surgery, and in general has been living life unequivocally as a woman, to the point where you accepted her femininity unquestioningly. Wouldn’t you want to still be there for your friend?”
This is impossible. Have you met any transwomen in real life? They never pass. Sometimes they pass in terms of appearance, but when they talk it becomes obvious they’re male. I’ve met lots of transwomen and I would never confuse one with a woman. I bet you wouldn’t either.
“In this scenario, she has abandoned anything that could possibly physically connect her to the world of masculinity. If gender is informed by genitalia, what then? Would you still deny her femininity, even though she has a vagina? Or does it only matter what they were born with, even if it no longer exists?”
Men can and do abandon masculinity, and this is a good thing. There are whole books written about how men can abandon masculinity. However, abandoning masculinity doesn’t make them women. I wouldn’t deny a transwoman’s femininity. Why would I? Transwomen can be as feminine as they want, I don’t really care. Many actual women don’t like femininity though, so they should be thinking about why that is.
I can’t stress this enough, Rachel. Femininity is a harmful social construct that is used to oppress women. The feminist movement is motivated, in part, by fighting back against the social constructs that are forced onto women. I absolutely do not equate “having a vagina” with “being feminine.” If you looked at my partner and me you’d know that neither of us are feminine, but both of us are female. It’s actually the transgenderists who equate “having a vagina” with “being feminine,” because they are promoting the idea that anyone who is feminine has to be a woman, and therefore feminine men have to have surgery to create a neo-vagina, because they can’t just keep being a male who is feminine. Similarly, women who are masculine are purported to be not really women, and are encouraged to take testosterone, even though it’s acceptable to be a masculine woman and no corrective medical procedures are necessary.
“I’m supposing that the assumption here is that being trans is a mental disorder, as stated above. But biologically, deviations from what is assumed to be normal exist anywhere. What would you classify intersex people as? Their genitalia fall somewhere between the male and female spectrum. Historically, they have undergone invasive surgeries at birth to “correct” them to the nearest gender. But what if this person has internal femininity that gets robbed from them because a doctor feels that a penis makes more sense on them? Or vice versa? That is a genuine biological example of the disconnect between gender and genitalia.”
There are many, many, reasons for being trans. Some people have autogynephilia, some have internalized homophobia, some have PTSD/dissociation, some are trying to escape from being female, some are identifying with the stereotypes assigned to the opposite sex, etc.
I would classify intersex people as being intersex. No one should perform surgery on intersex infants to make them look like one sex or another. They are fine the way they are.
There is no such thing as “internal femininity.” The idea of “internal femininity” is sexism against women.
“It is the line of thinking that “genitalia informs gender 100%” which leads to the false interpretation of the second series of tweets above. It is not saying that lesbians should love men in any way, shape or form. It is that being a lesbian should be about loving a woman, regardless of what her genital configuration is like.”
I would definitely still love a woman regardless of what her vulva looked like. I think all vulvas are beautiful. However, that doesn’t mean I would love a man and pretend his penis is a “female penis.”
“Whether it be that she is trans, or underwent a surgery to “correct” her intersex genitalia, reducing the lesbian experience to “an aversion to penis” also reduces women to their genitalia. And there is so much more to being a woman than your vagina. We all know this. We all battle societal expectations that want to reduce women to nothing more than a means for sex.”
Lesbians aren’t “reducing women to their genitalia,” for fuck’s sake. Identifying the fact that women have a vulva and vagina doesn’t reduce women to being nothing but those parts. Similarly, if I name the fact that human beings are bipedal, that doesn’t reduce us to being nothing but our legs. We are whole people.
“Trust me, no one is saying all lesbians have to enjoy or even want to be around a penis, there are obviously many, many women who have justifiable reasons to never want one anywhere near them.”
Did you not just read the post you commented on? Have you not heard of the cotton ceiling? All trans activists are saying that lesbians are supposed to be open to dick.
“But that is not the case for all lesbians, so to presume what makes sense for some lesbians is what makes sense for all lesbians is misguided. Don’t be like men, don’t reduce women to just “someone who has a vagina.” That’s all.”
It is the case for all lesbians that we don’t want dick. That’s why we’re lesbians. If a woman likes both sexes, she is bisexual.
“I’m sure most of that fell on deaf ears, and perhaps I was simply indulging my own frustrations in venting this. Perhaps this comment will be removed, my labor of half an hour amounting to nothing. But I guess its my hope that maybe this could open up a line of meaningful discourse that could lead to more understanding. I like to think that you all want to be open-minded, considerate individuals, right? That does mean sometimes opening yourself up to ideas that seem to go against your personal beliefs. That allows you to grow as a more well-rounded person. And I just want to see more people opening themselves up, so we can all grow.”
I agree wholeheartedly with your advice. I think that’s what you should do—engage in meaningful discourse that could lead to more understanding. Please do some research on autogynephilia, the cotton ceiling, the medical sterilization of children, and the hatred against lesbians that transgenderists are promoting. This will challenge your beliefs, but it will make you a more well-rounded person and will be well worth the labor.