MtF transsexual burns rainbow flag because it’s “offensive”

From CBC News:

UBC student Brooklyn Fink says why she burned the pride flag on campus

Fink, 31, is transsexual and calls the rainbow pride flag an ‘offensive’ and non-inclusive symbol

The University of B.C. student charged with mischief for allegedly burning a rainbow LGBT pride flag at the university last February says she did it to protest what she considers an “offensive” symbol.

Brooklyn Marie Fink, 31, who describes herself as transsexual, talked about the flag burning after her first court appearance in Richmond on Tuesday.

“As a media artist, I intended in burning the flag only to illustrate my displeasure at the university’s failure to come to an agreement on the fact of the flag’s offensiveness.”

And why is the Pride flag so offensive?

“Fink told CBC she does not feel included in the LGBT label — an abbreviation used to cover a range of non-gender-conforming identities, which often stands for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender.”

I’m almost speechless that a trans person doesn’t feel included in LGBT. From what I’ve been seeing, LGBT has nothing to do with lesbians and gays any more, it’s just all about the trans now. What more do they want?

I don’t think lesbians are included in LGBT, actually. Our rights as women are constantly trampled by the sparklequeers who want us to have no boundaries and cater to men’s feelings. It seems as though this person wants to officially kick lesbians and gays out of LGBT. He can go ahead with that, as far as I’m concerned. I haven’t felt like I am a part of LGBT in a long time. They should just go ahead and start spelling it TTTT and be done with it.

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121 thoughts on “MtF transsexual burns rainbow flag because it’s “offensive”

      • I know it’s kind of wussy and washed out isn’t it? I’ve seen them describe the wishy washy blue and pink as the traditional colors for boys and girls. I don’t know how far back something has to be, to be considered “tradition”, but pink was seen as the stronger color less than 100 years ago circa 1927), and it was the “boys” color. So their “traditions” are quite modern really, 20th century “tradition”. And this was just some article in a magazine, it was not written on a stone tablet.

        I would have thought purple would be more appropriate,as it is a mix of blue and red.

        So boys liking pink is actually “traditionally” very masculine, as little boys were often (more than girls) dressed in pink. I find that when parents say their boy likes pink, so he must be a girl, I want to shake them.

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        • And what is really interesting with that is if you want to work out whether a child is male or female in these pictures, because at that age it is hard to tell, you have to look at how they part the hair. Side parting was for boys, and middle parting was for girls.

          I also think they don’t take into account that clothing, once you remove gender for it has practical use and things like robes and dresses were there for a reason. In the case of children they all wore dresses up until about the age of 6 or so because the zipper and elastic wasn’t invented yet and it was near on impossible to toilet train a child when you had to undo many buttons and ties to expose the appropriate parts needed to go to the toilet.

          Burning the flag is an entirely appropriate suggestion, sometimes only tit for tat seems to work.

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        • Yes, and in the seventeenth century at least (the one I’m most familiar with), seven was the age of reason, when boys were breeched and expected to stop being little children and start to become men. If they misbehaved, they could be put back in their “baby coats” (an in-between stage of a long coat over breeches) or their skirts, as a shaming punishment. It was also literally leaving the women’s realm for boys of high enough rank; they would leave the jurisdiction of their governess and nurses and move into a far more male household.

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        • The earliest surviving photo of Queen Victoria shows her with one of her children. Sometimes it’s described as the Princess Royal, sometimes the Prince of Wales – but it’s definitely Vicky, because centre part. The children’s different hairdos are very clear in all their portraits.

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        • I can see it in my memories of images, now that y’all mention it. Just never thought about it before.

          I’ve never gone for the center part look, though I do have the deepest respect for Wednesday Addams.

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  1. Came across this today:
    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/british-columbia/bc-among-few-provinces-without-transgender-protections-in-human-rights-code/article25794135/?service=mobile

    Transgender people are at risk if “gender identity and expression” are not added to the human rights code. So they want it to be illegal to use the wrong pronouns or to stop a man from entering a woman’s change room, since gender identity trumps all, I guess.

    And I came across this hilarious quote on a libfem blog today:

    When there is disguising going on—which is, according to Huston’s own list, rare—bathroom predators disguise themselves as women, not as trans women

    How does one tell a trans woman from a guy in a dress? And how about those MTT who still purposely present as men? I imagine that it will be a crime, if this gender identity stuff is ever added to the human rights code, to treat a male presenting person as a male!!!

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    • I just realized, slow me, the reason they want ‘gender identity’ to be what’s protected and not just Transgender is to protect the transvestites. The ones who want to do their fetish in public and not have any treatments of any sort. As well as the Men With Breasts And A Penis. We really need an official name for that phenomenon/type. Anyway it’s conscious! That’s the penny the drop for me just now. They consciously invented ‘gender identity’ laws in order to demand civil rights for the fetish in people who don’t want to have their penis cut off. Holy crap. 😳

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        • It’s offensive to me! A chick >.< with a dick would be a woman with a penis added. This is more of the Mr. Boob Man. or an Artificial Medical Hermaphrodite. But that's not derogatory enough. A 'Lord Boopsie'?

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        • Was just watching Criminal Minds, and it reminded me that serial killer Richard Speck later on in prison became at Mr. Boob Man. Presumably with contraband estrogen. Saw film on TV of him. He seems to have been the sexual property of another inmate, so he may have been made to grow breasts and raped repeatedly. Score one for karma.

          Richard Speck raped and killed eight student nurses in Chicago in the late 1960s in one night in their dorm. Just for those who are not up on this horrific crap.

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      • Yeah, that was the big bait-and-switch. From “these men suffer so intractably from GID that surgery is the only way to alleviate their anxiety” to “some people can’t afford surgery yet” to “some transwomen decide to keep their penises.”

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        • Ayup. It’s all about protecting the Stefonknees of the world. Most of the transexuals – truscum – that I have come across, don’t want to be seen flashing their penises (if they still have them) in the woman’s change room. But this is the turn-on for the autogynephiles.

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        • What’s the point in showing people your dick if you’re trying to pass? Another thing that really needs more pointing out. “Oh, the poor transwomen who can’t pass!” Umm, news flash, peeps…

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        • To “why should we transwomen obey oppressive cis norms by wearing feminine clothing, shaving and having surgery.” See, for example, Daryl Banks.

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        • Heck, just google “Danielle Muscato” ! Looks like a bearded male and has no plan to transition,yet expects to use women’s bathrooms etc.

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        • Not to the young lesbians who get sucked into it. The recent post on 4thWaveNow was so heartbreaking. I took a pass on being concerned about transgenderism until I started reading about the online harassment of lesbians. I am increasingly seeing it as being *about* targeting lesbians. I don’t see any trans dudes going around harassing men for not wanting to do them.

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        • I have heard of a couple of cases but overall trans dudes do not harass gay men for sex the way the autogynephiles go after lesbians.

          I also have to constantly remind people that gnc lesbians get gender policed all the damn time and that this does *not* mean that they want males in their restrooms and so on.

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        • In hierarchies, it’s only acceptable for power to move downhill. Man can harass woman, non-man cannot harass man. (“Non-man” in this context meaning man who has failed to live up to the dictates of masculinity).

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        • Yep. Got called a guy again this week happens every so often- sometimes innocently, sometimes by someone thinking they’re doing right by the obviously non passing trans dude (which annoys me quite a bit) and occasionally as this week – in an attempt to police my presentation. I’ve learned to cope, but that doesn’t mean I want Dude McDuderson soaping up his bits next to me in the locker room.

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        • So many powerful men are TV. We have NO idea how deep into power structures the trans behemoth goes. As women we have never been permitted to enter secret men’s business. We have no idea, for centuries we have been excluded from the tables of power in religion, industry, politics, art, music and academia.

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    • So, are they saying that a random pervy dude attempting to look like a woman is going to look more like an actual woman than a trans woman? Well, I guess there is less possibility of the random dude wearing fishnet and/or one of Shirley Temple’s old dresses.

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  2. Hang on…he’s transexual so he sees himself as gender conforming while the genderites and others in the flag are gender nonconforming, so he’s not included? There are more twists everyday.

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  3. Clearly this person needs to sign the “Drop the T” petition. Though I gotta admit, flag-burning does have a bit more panache.

    I have never seen an activism movement do such a good job of burning its own boats.

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  4. Number one, like others have already said here, T already dominates LGBT. L and B don’t even exist anymore. Lesbians are expected to include “transwomen” as sex partners (essentially forcing them to be bi) and bis aren’t allowed to have any boundaries at all…even our label. We’re all supposed to be pansexual now.

    Number two, the rainbow flag was never SUPPOSED to include T. They themselves admit that T has nothing to do with LGB (except when they want to parasitize us, having no momentum of their own). So calling the rainbow flag exclusionary for not representing T is about as sensical as calling the Vatican flag exclusionary because it doesn’t include the Amish. Hellooo…

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    • The original idea was that what homosexuals and transgender people have in common is resisting socially enforced rules about gender scripting. This would work fine if it was just about presentation, personalities and preferences (assuming such preferences are not predatory in nature). But transgenderism has become largely just another form of social enforcement and one supported by corporate medicine. So one of the lines of attack has to be to discourage people from believing that anything a doctor does to you will improve your health. Corporate medicine is as liable to corruption and error as any corporate industry and they make many wrong turns.

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    • Joannadeadwinter, exactly! That’s what makes this so funny. 😂😂😂 The rainbow flag is bad because it doesn’t include transgender people? How would I go about doing that? Put some creepy pale crap on the end? It’s a rainbow. The colour scheme is kind of a given. 🙄 Maybe if transgender wanted to be part of the gay movement, for no comprehendible reason, they shouldn’t have tethered themselves to shitty 1920s pink and blue baby product advertising colors.

      This is the sine qua non of trans activism. There’s no right answer. There’s no way to satisfy this crazy demand. That’s the point of the crazy demand. That’s how trans activism works. What they want has to be impossible so that they can make trouble.

      Plus it’s another example of claiming something is offensive in a context where it is absolutely certain that was not the intention. Plus since when is it OK destroy stuff because it’s offensive to you? Does this mean now I get to go and burn down pornography film sets?

      Which reminds me I’m glad this asshat was in court. I hope the judge was very amused. Let the smirking be unrestrained. Plus helping more people reach peak trans. 😂😂😂😁

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      • It doesn’t take much work to see the classic signs of abuse with these guys. Threats, insisting they always be centered, blaming others for their problems and feelings, controlling behavior, unrealistic expectations of people, hypersensitivity, condoning sexual violence, commiting acts of violence. Isolating victims (don’t listen to those people who criticize transgenderism, they are dangerous).

        It’s all right there. The women who support them are, I think, grooming victims. At least those who actually know these sorts of men. It’s really easy to fall into if you don’t have anybody to talk to who recognizes how this works. There is, I think, a similarity to how prostituted women sometimes say they are fine. There is a form of mind control at work.

        And this cannot be said enough: sympathy for them is based on the idea that being a woman is a terrible fate for a man, because being a woman is the worst thing ever.

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      • The rainbow flag was never intended to represent a hodgepodge of different sexual or gender identities. Randy Shilts’s book Conduct Unbecoming, which is a history of gays and lesbians in the US military, gives a detailed account of the flag’s origins, which are quite moving. It was designed for one of the first San Francisco Gay Pride marches by a former enlisted man named Gilbert Baker. (In fact, it may have been THE first such march; I’m writing this from memory and don’t have time to check.) Baker had just been dishonorably discharged for homosexuality; he came out while recovering from a breakdown and a suicide attempt in the VA in SF. Iirc he also became an anti-war activist. The original rainbow flag had a lambda on it to represent homosexuality; the rainbow was meant to show that lesbians and gay men exist in every ethnic group. It represents the ethnic diversity of homosexuals, not a diversity of sexualities. It would be nice to reclaim that meaning…

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        • OMG, that is so interesting!! I’m now going to go look up why a lambda represents homosexuality. I’ve known about the Lambda Legal Services is it? Since the 80s. Never wondered about the symbolism.

          Yes, I think a rainbow always meant, by “always” I mean since the 60s… SMH. Anyway the rainbow as a left wing political thing referred to the colour of people’s skin originally I think. So that it would be saying gay people in every ethnicity makes sense. Because a thing that the gay rights movement in the early days said was ‘there are gay people everywhere. You HAVE met tons of gay people you just don’t know it because they have to hide who they are’. And back THEN activists tried to bring people together instead of just engage in crazy PC witchhunt fests.

          Cool info, thanks!

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    • “This isn’t enough about Me yet.” Maybe each of these guys should start their own civil rights movements, all called “The Oppression of Me.”

      Meanwhile, the abuse of lesbians and gay men grinds on, but the shine has apparently worn off worrying about that.

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      • Yep. I am currently watching a woman suffer verbal abuse by a male feminist on a ‘progressive secular humanist’ blog. Her crime? Being concerned about her safety in public restrooms, especially considering that she has been a victim of abuse. Male feminist tells her that she is lower than dog shit, a hateful bigot etc etc. Just line after line of vicious abuse, all because she is concerned about her safety.

        jesus fucking christ

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  5. This flag burning actually gives me hope. The combined male entitlement and raging narcissism that is transmania can never be satisfied. They will make more and larger demands, and their transtrustys will give in to them, but then there will me even more demands, and surely at some point, sane people are going to wake up.

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  6. Why don’t they make their own Trans flag and come up with some new colors and letters? They could start their alphabet soup with Transgender, Transsexual, Non-Binary, Transmasculine, Transfeminine, Queer, Demiboy, Demigirl, Panromantic, Genderfluid, Agender, Genderflux, Genderqueer, and Skoliosexual. I can’t believe I actually know so many of their ridiculous “gender identities”!

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    • If they didn’t have the support of the LGB they wouldn’t have any support. When people are supporting the T they are doing so because it’s part of the LGB.

      They are showing time and time again that they are sociopathic narcissists.

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    • I can’t believe you do either Carrie-Anne! How disturbing. 😱 Also what’s skoliosexual? It’s not like only being attracted to people with scoliosis is it? Oh wait no I’m mixing up sexual orientation and gender AGAIN! Slap slap slap my hand. So it’s being trans scoliotic? 🤔

      My computer while typing this suggested a different word for skoliosexual: olio sexual. 😖 iPad thanks that’s a real thing. 😮

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      • Oh good Dawg, the phony wheelchair thing. Yeah, that’s a contender for the next insane trend: the social media being taken over by people yowling about how their rights to be wheelchair-bound are being infringed.

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      • Skoliosexual is an attraction to people who identify as “non-binary,” as opposed to feeling sexual attraction to members of a specific sex. The definitions I’ve seen play into that whole trans idea that being gay or straight isn’t really about being attracted to a man or woman, but a specific kind of genitals. That just serves to make it even more clear they’re the ones truly obsessed with genitals, the way they keep bringing them up!

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        • Thanks. This attracted to people who are non-binary, sounds like a way of saying there should be no people who are simply never attracted to men, regardless of the nominal “packaging”.

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        • Skoliosexual? Sounds like a deformation of the spine. Ah, well, the transwacktivists wish to break women’s spines, so I suppose that’s fitting.

          I happen to be attracted to males who aren’t masculine (because masculinity is toxic and gender is shit anyway), and I am very definitely not … this word.

          But to be fair, a man identifying as non-binary would pretty certainly kill all my attraction by the simple act of declaring that he believes other people have a binary gender. Which identifying as non-binary implies. So I likely don’t fit their definition anyway.

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        • Spot on! The whole “identifying as non-binary” is just more speshul snoeflaking and relies on the muggles, the mundanes, to be the boring backdrop for their sooper-sparkly selves. It also suggests someone who not only doesn’t get the difference between gender and personality, but is probably sadly deficient in the latter. 😛

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        • The tumblr kids have informed me that I should identify as nonbinary since I don’t experience sparkly woman feelings.

          In that context, it’s the same bullshit I’ve been getting since puberty. I had to go on the boys team in high school because there was no girls team – the not so subtle message being that sports are not “for girls”. My math teacher made fun of me for getting a question right but taking a moment to find words for why – math isn’t for you, sweety. (When, a couple years later, a guy did the EXACT SAME THING the teacher could not shut up about how this guy was a mathematical genius who understood math beyond words.) When I argued with teachers, I was informed that I wasn’t behaving properly.

          My personality has marked me as “less womanly” for most of my life. My Herero dating experiences mostly ended in disaster as I refused to play the “feminine” role and instead behaved as myself. Telling me I’m nonbinary is just one more way of asserting that I can’t be a real woman and be my confrontational, math loving, athletic self.

          Fuck. That.

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        • Fuck. That. Indeed.

          The tumblr kids have informed me that I should identify as nonbinary since I don’t experience sparkly woman feelings.

          Me neither. I’ve never felt a sparkly woman in my life. 😉

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        • If any sparkly women are into athletic, loud math nerd chicks, feel free to let me know. I’m afraid though that the tumblr crowd have also coercively labeled me as demisexual, so I will insist on coffee and conversation first.

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        • I never could decide whether I thought demisexual was like a demitasse or someone with a fondness for Demi Moore.

          Of course all it really means is normal person not abiding by hookup culture/sex pos rules …

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        • I love drinking espresso from demitasse, so that works! I’m hoping that there’s an espresso machine this year when the college kids move out next door.

          And yeah, it’s “prude” in a scene kid haircut just like labeling someone else “nonbinary” is the new “mannish”

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        • Makes me wonder if all the agonised attempts to define and defend themselves one sees from demisexuals and grey-aces and whatnot are kids who have been conned into thinking that mindless, heartless fucking is actually what being a “sexual” means, and/or they have never dared to tell their peers to fuck off, because that would be dull and square and uncool and too much like the olds.

          I so don’t miss being young, and it didn’t have the extreme toxicity of this shit.

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        • Peri menopause sucks rocks and you still couldn’t pay me enough to go back to that shit. And no, even so it wasn’t as bad as it seems to have gotten.

          I think some of them really have been successfully convinced that hookup culture, polyamory, and so forth are how they’re “supposed” to be as sexual beings. It’s depressing on so many levels. On the other hand, I will defend to the death any girls right to set a boundary – and if demisexual helps her do it, I’ll defend it. But I suspect the assholes will just put in a loophole to demand she “examine” her resistance to hookup demands.

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        • I hear you on perimenopause, friend.

          Yes, another friend suggested recently that’s why demisexual gets used, rather than it being snowflakeness. It’s horrible that people – and disproportionately girls and women, of course – have to make up these absurd so-called sexualities as a defence, because porn’s purveyors and users have brainwashed them into thinking that soul-dead behaviour is normal, that it’s the way everyone except sad or bad people acts sexually. Making people feel like freaks because they don’t want to go out fucking randoms. It’s sickening.

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    • Apparently this comment was picked up by the people behind the hate/bullying site Kiwi Farms, and they’re trying to dox and mock me at https://kiwifar.ms/threads/carrie-anne-brownian-onomasticsoutsidethebox-anyechka.20152/. The person who was obsessed enough to look up all my pages closed with “I’m still in the midst of digging more, but whatever you guys can come up with to help me would be good to, I have a feeling there’s more to find on her.” I’m glad I don’t use my real name online. It just goes to show how obsessed these transactivists are when they engage in such behavior based off of reading one blog comment.

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  7. Things that make you go grrrr. It takes an excessive level of arrogance and hubris to do this, and not realise even as you claim they are excluding you, you are making a statement that implies at the very least that the other parts of the rainbow flag (L, G, and B) need to be burned to ashes. That is a strong statement to make. Don’t these people realise what they are doing is a political statement? When you do something like that it shouldn’t be used to express personal feelings/opinions as it says so much more and is grossly offensive.

    I was also reading on Kimberle Crenshaw and what was originally intersectionality which was like many ideas meant to be a good thing, a means of thinking about and acting in a way to meet the needs of all of a group. The example used was an employment case involving GM, and how black women were discriminated against by sexism by not being allowed to work on the factory floor, and also discriminated against by racism as they were not allowed to work in the office, which was the only work available for women. Then when they finally got work on the factory floor, they were discriminated against again because they used a last in-first out policy which unduly impacted on women who weren’t allowed to work there until more recently.

    When they took the case, they found out they lost out, as they couldn’t make claims for both racism and sexism at once, and even found the law thought them advantaging themselves by even attempting this. Of course, this says that we need to consider in feminism that within the specified group of women we are advocating for that not all women are the same, and that they are impacted by different isms and issues like socio-economic grouping. To be inclusive is to include the totality of women’s lives and experiences, and to address that, listen to them, and work to meet their needs.

    It was never, ever, ever meant to be about including everyone and excluding no one (except for those bigots over there!). It was meant to be understood in context of defined groups and that there are intersecting oppressions that can affect those within that group. If you look at racism, as a whole that includes men, as with classism. Neither of those things deal with sexism and sex-based oppression and really, they shouldn’t as discrete issues that affect many. Same with feminism, no other movement can do this for women, and we need to stand up and say it is crucial women be able to organise as a group. The idea of intersectionality as it is in the popular imagination is a destructive idea and needs to be resisted.

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  8. I saw this on the television news. What really really bothers me is that she was not identified on the news program as transexual. We were to believe simply that she was a woman. This means the most prominent news program in Canada is now participating in pretending the emperor has clothes — pretending that someone who is clearly not a woman is a woman. This is offensive.

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    • With that height and low voice that this guy admits to have, I think the general population will figure out that this he is not a woman. I know how you feel, I cringe every time I read something about Jenner. The latest is that trump let Jenner go to the bathroom somewhere fancy, in the ladies, and there is a a news item about it. Eewughgh…so now we have to hear about jenner’s toilet habits..it’s so creepy all this talk of urination, first world bloody problems, women in India have to sneak out at night and hide in field to pee to escape rape and Jenner is gloating about being in the lady feels room. The pic of Jenner in the article showed his huge hands, and I had been tempted to mention how jenner’s hands were massive in comparison to Donald’s hands, you know the big hands thing the men wink winked about…oh lord hell In a hand basket.

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  9. To be completely honest I don’t feel included either. Like a third of my blog is that I hate that acronym and do find it almost offensive. Mostly because I feel like I’m being forced into a group (LGB) that doesn’t exactly have much more information or my best interest any more than most other groups of cis people . So I don’t know why people are trying so hard to squeeze us in there. I get some Trans people are gay or lesbian I just don’t exactly understand why my genitalia gets me initiated into a group of people categorized otherwise by sexual preference. However, I think flag burning is taking it a bit to far.

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